On October 23, 2023, during the introduction of his interview with David Schindele, a former nuclear missile officer and witness to an Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon (UAP), Matt Ford revealed some interesting information.
He started by reminding his audience of recent legislative developments. He mentioned the UAP amendment presented by Senator Chuck Schumer, which is still under debate today, citing the term “non-human origin” 24 times and proposing that the United States could seize any technology resulting from such research.
Regarding this last point, investigative journalist Ross Coulthart has just stated that this portion of the bill is a stumbling block in the congressional debates, and that modifications are being made :
I’m told there are going to be amendments to the law, possibly in the area of the eminent domain, the confiscation of non-human intelligence technology materials. There may be some adjustments made in that to adjust to the simple fact that if you are a corporate aerospace company and if you’ve been spending your company’s hard-earned dime on recovering material, why the hell should the taxpayer be able to recover this.
Matt Ford continued his summary by mentioning the testimony of David Grusch, during which he stated under oath before the Congress that the United States has had a program for the recovery and reverse engineering of UAP for several decades. Ford then mentioned the personal response of the director of All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), Sean Kirkpatrick, in a memo :
“I am also absolutely committed to transparency on both the historical mission and the operational mission. […]
I cannot let yesterday’s hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was to the officers of the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community who chose to join AARO. […]
AARO has yet to find any credible evidence to support the allegations of any reverse engineering program for non-human technology.”
Matt Ford then played an excerpt from a Jeremy Corbell/George Knapp interview of James Lacatski, the former head of the UFO study group (AAWSAP) at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) :
Corbell : “Our government has a UFO in its possession and has been able to access the inside of it, right?”
Lacatski : “Yes.”
In contrast to this statement, Matt Ford then showed an excerpt from the U.S. Senate hearing in which Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick stated:
“I should also state clearly for the record that in our research AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off world technology or objects that defy the known laws of physics.”
Highlighting these contradictions between former intelligence officers and military scientists on one side and the current director of AARO on the other, Matt Ford then addressed members of the U.S. Congress, asking :
Who is pulling the strings at AARO and why?
Matt Ford, responding to his own question, began by recalling that AARO was created under the leadership of Ronald Moultrie within the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (OUSDI&S). According to remarks reported by Matt Ford from Lue Elizondo, himself a former counterintelligence officer who led the AATIP program to study UAP :
“[OUSDI] was the primary source of administrative terrorism used against whistleblowers or anyone who got too close to the truth.”
In a tweet illustrating the tensions on the subject, Lue Elizondo emphasized :
“Please, please, please contact your representatives and let them know this is unacceptable and not in the best interest of the American people. The USDI is the one single office that has continuously lied about this topic and persecuted whistleblowers.”
Obstruction
Regarding the slowness with which AARO’s website was set up and the lack of responsiveness of their official Twitter account, Matt Ford stated that Ronald Moultrie had not approved any of the proposed tweets.
Ford continued to question why Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick did not ask whistleblower David Grusch about his claims. On this matter, Kirkpatrick stated :
“The central source of those allegations has refused to speak to AARO.”
While, according to information that Matt Ford obtained, no one from AARO has attempted to contact David Grusch.
After finishing his assessment, Matt Ford stated that a highly placed source, who has always provided him with reliable information, revealed that, in addition to the AARO executive committee led by Ronald Moultrie to oversee it, another secret group had been created by Sean Kirkpatrick.
According to Matt Ford, some members of Congress have become aware of it and have asked Kirkpatrick about its members. The AARO director then reportedly refused to answer their questions.
Ford explained that, according to his sources, the reason for this silence is that :
“Some of these unelected officials who sit on this super-secret advisory council are the actual gatekeepers of the legacy UAP crash recovery and back engineering program.”
He then stated that, according to a source, the names of these officials were still conveyed to members of Congress.
Regarding these statements, Christopher Mellon, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, spoke out on Twitter-X, saying :
“While I can’t speak to the credentials of this particular host or production, I do find the testimony here from Retired USAF Captain Schindele compelling (albeit not above scrutiny). I’m grateful he chose to share his recollections, both here and with AARO.”
Ross Coulthart, on the other hand, said :
“I’m told Dr. Kirk Patrick is a very respected scientist and I don’t know the truth, for example, of Matt Ford’s claims on The Good Trouble Show that were reported in the last 24 hours. Matt basically alleged that there is some kind of alleged secret Committee, including Gatekeepers to the Legacy program, that is essentially advising Dr. Kirkpatrick on what to do and where to go.”
He continued :
“What I can tell you is that there are a lot of people who don’t think he’s doing a very good job. There’s a huge disappointment from witnesses who say that they’ve gone forward to AARO, and they believe that their representations to AARO are being unfairly downplayed and ignored.”
Mixed messages
All of this is taking place in a complex context for AARO. In recent months, it has been responsible for disseminating information showing new U.S. ambitions in the field of military development of weapons systems and countermeasures based on the reverse engineering of UAP and the establishment of defense systems against these supposedly exotic advanced platforms.
A series of slides released on the official AARO website, then under the purview of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, and now under the joint leadership of the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Defense, show how the United States seeks to catch up on presumed exotic technologies.
Entitled “AARO Mission Overview”, the document, available on the official AARO website, consists of 9 pages summarizing the various strategies put in place by AARO to address the UFO investigation mission entrusted by the U.S. Congress.
In these slides, it is learned that AARO is now the lead office for addressing the UFO subject within the U.S. government. The document clearly states that it is not about dealing with balloons drifting over U.S. territory, but rather with “anomalous” factors, potentially due to platforms demonstrating “advanced capabilities” operating within U.S. defense gaps.
The rest of the document reveals the strategy implemented by AARO. By synchronizing U.S. operational capabilities, the Pentagon’s UFO research office seeks to “detect, track, mitigate, and recover UAP.” They will exploit “mysterious and elusive” signals and signatures recorded. AARO will also provide investigation analyses and communicate with chosen partners. One may wonder what criteria will define those who will have access to these communications.
The format of the slides changes strangely in the subsequent documents, even though these contain the most interesting information. Regarding the recovery of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena objects :
“(AARO) leads UAP Recovery Planning and execution, in close collaboration with AARO S&T Group. Advises Commands on the secure and safe handling, storage, transport, and transfer of UAP Objects and Material, for AARO S&T exploitation.”
Note the absence of the conditional form regarding the physical recovery of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena objects and their exploitation, as found in the definition of “UAP Objects and Material” in the last official report published, and reported by The Check.
“UAP Objects and Material : Corporeal artifacts of UAP. UAP may contain one or more UAP objects (e.g., airborne craft exhibiting apparent anomalous capabilities). UAP materials are samples, in whole or in part, of UAP objects (e.g., debris).”
Origin
Even more surprisingly, regarding UAP mitigation efforts :
“UAP Mitigation : Partners with Joint Staff and counterintelligence elements in the development of UAP mitigation strategies – including but not limited to UAP incursions and engagement.”
The image in this slide shows a blurry silhouette surrounded by means of aerial recognition and interception.
This point was reinforced last week in the latest official report from AARO, which states :
‘UAP Engagement: Bringing UAP under kinetic or non-kinetic fire, to deny, disrupt, or destroy the phenomenon and/or its object(s).’
One may wonder what kind of communication strategy has been implemented within AARO, when its director states, in an interview on CNN :
“There are some indicators that are concerning that may be attributed to foreign activity, and we are investigating those very hard.”
While the report indicates :
“None of these UAP reports have been positively attributed to foreign activities.”
In the same CNN interview, it is learned that AARO’s reporting platform should be ready in the coming months.
Furthermore, it is necessary to remember what Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick had said about a UAP video presented during NASA’s UAP study conference :
“This is a spherical orb, metallic […] we see these all over the world, and we see these making very interesting apparent maneuvers […] That is a real object, absolutely.”
Could this back-and-forth from AARO and its ambiguous statements be explained by the presence of a secret advisory committee instructing Dr. Kirkpatrick on what to say?
It seems logical that he sought to surround himself with experts from his military circle on a subject that is absent from academic research. And who better for that than the heirs of the secret UAP study programs reportedly created after the military panic caused by the alleged non-human craft flying over the U.S. capital in 1952?
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